jamie: but, you know, doug, it matters at least to me more with the secretary of defense than many of the other cabinet positions because we're withdrawing from afghanistan, our troops need true leadership, and whoever takes that position at in this critical juncture where leon panetta has already been overseeing for a while, it seems an odd time to make a change. what's going on? >> well, the end of the first term. of leon panetta, i believe, is in his mid 70s, he's expressed a desire to go back to california, and if chuck hagel isn't it, i think matt is exactly right. in michelle flournoy or ashton carter, there are two very, very qualified people who are waiting in the wings who would be very close to the president, and i think it's entirely appropriate that as a second term begins that the president would look for new leadership especially after secretary panetta's long and distinguished service. jamie: you know, matt, on the one hand i can understand any corporate ceo when they come in, they want to bring in people that are sitting at the major table that they know will be on the